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Talon Counter Stats
Talonthe Blade's Shadow
Ranked #17 out of 59 in Mid Discover all Mid champions who counter Talon. Use our statistics and learn how to counter Talon in League of Legends and win in Champion Select! Talon Data for all roles taken from
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Talon Middle Lane Counters: 40,617 matches, 51 counter champions
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Tips Against Talon in Middle Lane Tips Provided by MOBAFire Guide Authors
“Take exhaust. He has insane burst lvl 2-3, so don't get poked. You want to bait out his W(Remember the hitbox gets bigger when the daggers are returning), then you can go in for quick trades with your [[bone plating]] ”
“You need to be able to save your allies as he will do his very best to roam and snowball. Shutting down Talon early is the only way to beat him, so make sure you don't let him get fed. He can only jump onto you if he gets too close, so respect his range and his W in lane, so that he can't get you low. Remember: Summoner's Rift is a 5V5, not a 1v1. You don't have to stay in lane and suffer a losing matchup!”
“Pre-6 he isn't that much of a threat since you can dodge his second W but after level 6 he will oneshot you (if you haven't itemized against him yet) even if he misses his second W because his R also applies a stack. Unfortunately, he can apply way more pressure than you and thrives in messy environments which is huge in SOLOQ, that's why he gets an even threat level.”
“You can harass him level 1 but DO NOT underestimate his level 2 all-in, keep your distance at all times. That's where most people die because they don't expect the damage.
Get early seekers armguard as it helps out a ton against AD champions.
When he gets tiamat, he will just shove the wave, and roam to other lanes. Not much you can do here, except for spam pinging your teammates to back off. Get lots of wards so your team can see where he's moving. ”
“MELEE = PUSH EARLY (LEVELS 1-2) - CARE FOR GANKS! (SPAM Q'S TILL 50-60% MANA).
Doran + 2 Pots + Time Warp Tonic + Cloth Armor Early. I'd run Ignite against him because it's a winnable matchup if you cast your E properly. The trick here is to NEVER get hit by W (when IT IS RETURNING TO TALON). If you do get hit BACK OFF and wait for the debuff to wear off. If he hits you with both Forward W and Backward W he can jump on you with Q (you can bait it if he's low hp with your E). After 6 in the Talon matchup you will push (with or without minion demat) -> go bot ONLY when you see him being ON LANE. A Talon can one shot mostly anyone (besides tanks) if he's waiting for them on a bush and there's little to nothing you can do, but you can play around it by always pushing and roaming first (And returning through other ways OR recalling). I believe Talon isn't a very difficult matchup because of his predictibility. Post 6 you can engage on him only after you poked him down a bit with your Q (you can kite him from a long distance with Q, care to mobis/yomuus). One Trick Talon players do is that they like to stay nearby mid -> wait for you to go to the middle of the lane and then jump with E over a wall and insta damage you, do not fall for that. Always ping when he's leaving and make him lose CS. Take alternative routes to follow him bot/top BUT BE CAREFUL -- he has no walls, he can jump anywhere. The trick is to push first / roam first or kill him on lane. Get Tabis if you struggle in the matchup.
Pick Cleanse/Barrier if you feel you are going to get outplayed by his burst.”
“REACTIVE lane, not proactive. I'll farm and poke safely with E, but won't go for passive procs after level 2. My W is enough to nullify his W, but I won't stick around to trade back, his all-in burst is extreme. He can start roaming as early as level 3 using his E and once he gets fed in a side lane, he'll get fed from me as well. He's hard to follow since Lux is immobile, and without good vision setup in my own jungle it's difficult to know whether or not he's roaming bot/top or waiting to kill me. I'll spam pings and buy control wards and if I can see his movements, I'll follow and try to help my teammates. If I can't follow, I'll try to push in, but will probably not go for plates unless I have vision on him - his E makes him really fast and Mobility Boots only add to that. I'll build Zhonya's for his R and honestly for the armor (Ninja Tabi are a good purchase as well).”
“Start corrupting potion, then harrass him as much as possible at level 1 with auto attacks and E as soon as he walks up to cs.
Level 2 you need to respect his damage because he can easily burst you down with electrocute and passive proc. Keep your distance from this point and rush a seekers armguard for some tankiness.
You will outscale in this matchup, so your focus should be to farm up and ward properly because he will roam the entire game. You can't waveclear as good as him once he gets tiamat, so ward the river and the middle of the lane so you can see in which direction he's headed after he shoved the wave.
Getting a sweeper will show his shadow during his ultimate. He also can't jump over walls if you use your W: ”
“Rush seekers armguard to counter his armorpen build. Don't get poked by rake lvl 1. Talon usually sets up a kill level 2-3 by poking level 1. If he can't find a kill in lane, he will roam to other lanes and find kills there. Get good vision so you can let your team know when he roams.”
“Talon has the highest first blood rate in the game and it's for a reason. You need to respect his passive stacks on you since the bleed of the 3rd stack is so heavy in early game. If he lands 2 stacks of his W on you, completely back of from the minion wave until they decay. If he flash Q Ignites you, you will bleed for nearly 400 damage at level 2 which can go straight through your barrier. Don't get to worried about the first part of his W hitting you, just never let the return part hit as well. Do your best to poke him out in lane without taking too much damage so that he cant all-in you. He is useless from anywhere but ahead lategame, so just farm up and outscale him hard.
Recommend: Barrier and Vs. AD Assassin Build. Take Tabis as well if their team lacks sufficient magic damage. Also consider swapping runes so you can get a stopwatch and have an even safer early game. ”
“you need to play def in early but you will win early and late game”
“Same as Zed, try to rush Zhonyas to ignore his R, his early levels are strong when he is running ignite + electrocute. Be good at warding and SS'ing so your team does not get ganked.”
“Poke him as much as you can and zone him with your ball in the early levels. Take Barrier for this match-up as this will give you the best chance to survive his early attempts of killing you. A sensible Talon will play passive in lane against you and will harass you with (W) Rake when you step forward. Talon is super at roaming and a decent one will do so at any given opportunity. It can be difficult to keep up with him due to his ability to leap over walls so you will have to think quickly, warn your team and either follow him or push the lane etc... If he picks up a couple of kills (from you or from roaming) he will be difficult to deal with. After level 6 he can be difficult to all-in 100-0, this can be made a little bit easier when his ultimate (R) Shadow Assault is down, you might want to have jungle help to ensure a kill.”
“Talon has a decent amount of early level damage so be careful of your positioning at all times. Wait for him to use his (W) Rake before you try to harass him, (Q) + AA or simply just an AA. Try to not play this lane aggressive in the early stages unless you have a clear opportunity to come out on top. After level 6, you can burst Talon down but remember that he is an assassin so it's crucial that you can actually survive his all in. Rushing 'Seekers Armguard' -> 'Rod of Ages' is a solid option when dealing with Talon. ROA is a must have!”
“https://youtu.be/mfylggvKbs8”
“Try not to die at level 2. Match his roams with your ultimate, but don't walk into unwarded jungle to do so.”
“This matchup is pretty much just a race for whoever gets R first, since either one of you can kill each other. I would say wait to use E until he jumps on you, then combo him right after. ”
“Favoured talon. PLAY SAFE early game, and don't get cheesed by his level 2-3. He always has more damage than you think.
Focus on dodging the return damage of his rake (W), and never stay in melee range for his Q crit, unless he's stunned by your W.
Rush seekers armguard early so his lethality build path won't oneshot you.
You can't really match his waveclear when he gets tiamat, so he's free to roam after pushing. Have proper vision and spam ping your teammates to back off, if talon is out of vision. ”
“Bait out his W(Rake) before you go for trades. Be careful of his level 3 burst, because it will kill you on the spot if he already poked you with w. Get a early seekers armguard to counter lethality he gets from items. ”
“Bait out his W lvl 1 and then you can harass him. At level 2 you have to be careful because his passive proc + Electrocute will deal over half your HP. ”
“Build Zhonya early. Punish for CSing in melee range! Tabis if a full AD team. Care for early roams.”
“Start with cloth armour and health potions and rush Seekers Armguard if under preasure. Farm as much as you can and try your best to dodge his (W), if you do this you can likely harass him with your (Q)+(W)+(E). He will look to roam a lot so be sure to either follow him or be ahead of him and roam yourself. If you don't follow him, he will likely get fed from your teammates which in turn will result in him getting more fed from you. ”
“Care Talon's early game damage as soon he gets 2 stacks on you he will want to all in you. Play passive throughout laning phase. Most importantly let your team know when he's not in your lane, as Talon's mobility will give him the option to gank other lanes effectively.”
“He runs in straight lines. Catching him at the beginning of a jump puts it on cooldown.”
“Respect talons damage pre 6 you win afterwards because ult damages him through his R”
“Talon realy is not that hard. You can jump on him lvl 2 and bully him out of lane. Don't underestimate his all in at lvl 6 since he has high 100 to 0 potential. But if you get an early advantage and ninja tabis you are good to go.”
“The toughest of the AD Assassin matchups due to his waveclear, especially if he goes Tiamat first item. He can make it hard for you to do your job early and pre-Deadman's he does have a good advantage in 1v1s. Try to get deadman's early and consider getting an early set of Ninja Tabis, especially if they have an AD jungler or top laner.”
“Stay away from his Q range and you'll be able to poke him out throughout the whole laning phase. Make sure you only use your E if you know you're going to hit him otherwise you will have to play passive dude to his Q engage. ”
“Talon thrives on his roam and his ability to do a lot of damage quickly. Stay closer to your tower when farming, so if he does decide to dive, he'll get punished for it. also keep in mind that when he uses his ult, he is invisible, but not untouchable. You can still throw up a blizzard under you to damage him, or even stun him if you can correctly predict where he is or where he's going. Like Aurelion, always make sure to alert your team when he's MIA. ”
“He can make even trades with you if you don't dodge at least one of his W's, since he needs to hit both and a Q to proc his passive. Try waiting until his W is down before making trades, this should make it a lot easier. Watch out for his level 6 and don't even bother trying to all in him until his W or Q is down or unless you plan on using your W to escape him.”
“If you can avoid this matchup, do it. In here, don't even try to go for autoattacks, or you are going to get his combo with bleed, which might get you killed even at level 2. Ward around lane and try to always have some sort of information where exactly did this guy go - whether he is roaming or just waiting behind the wall to make his parkour combo. In lategame you should go for Zhonya in order to survive his burst in teamfights, because you are mostly going to be his target, but during early and midgame it should be enough to just make Seeker's armguard. Though, if you play it right and he doesn't get incredible ahead, then it's playable, but we all know what is he cappable off, so even if you don't give him any kills yourself, he will find some kills anywhere else, which will just make your life in lane harder.”
“Assassin lanes are the best, and facing Talon is a test of skill. He wins all ins if he gets his 3 stacks off which make you bleed for a lot if proc'd with an auto. Remember, if you dodge his W, you have an almost 100% chance of winning the trade. Also, make sure to let him ult before you ult, unless you're certain of his whereabouts. This champion LOVES to roam- after all one of his abilities is made solely for this reason.”
“Assassin Ad with few potential of outplay , care his lvl 2 ignite kombo , harass him and when he does mistakes ,punish him with 3 spells kombo. Zhonya/Roa can be a good choice.
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“Insane roam potential with the ability to kill you easy if you are not careful. Best way to kill them is lv2-3 with barrier/exhaust. They will often underestimate you and as long as you hit the q's you out dmg them. warn the team for roams and scale. ”
“You're able to bait him with your Q onto boxes when he tries to Q in just make sure he doesn't get you low enough to give him a chance at a kill. Armor is recommended early.”
“1v1ing him is hard because he can go invisible with his r which counters your r.
he will outroam you”
“Don't approach him in Early Game so he can't mark you with his Q and W, you can poke him from more distance than he can, try to dodge at least 1 of his marks after he uses his R”
“absolutely bonkers damage and WILL out roam you. Play extremely safe, even better just ban him.”
“D-Blade. Dodge his Ws and don't underestimate him. Avoid him bursting you down level 2/3, he can easily 100-0 you. You definitely need windwall level 3. If you are going to windwall his W, windwall it on the way back. This stops his passive proc and has a way better chance of succeeding than trying to windwall his W right when he uses it. He will always be roaming because of his E so just abuse turret plating to get ahead of him even if he gets a kill on the roam. Outscales you. Take Conq.”
“Start with cloth armour and health potions and rush Seekers Armguard if under preasure (try to aim for gunblade though, unless you really need it). Farm as much as you can and try your best to dodge his (W). If his (W) is on cool-down you can harass him and consume your (Q) mark. He will look to roam a lot so be sure to either follow him or be ahead of him and roam yourself.”
“His burst will hurt. You should be able to easily dodge his W and all in him.
He will roam because you will destroy him, make sure your team knows whenever he is missing and follow him or hard push tower.”
“One of the biggest counter but still outlaned by Vladimir. The problem of him is his roams and that you cant push freely, because you will be really vulnerable from his low range burst. You can kill him on lane if he just farms, because you outrange him hard. Dont let him roam, or other lanes will be doomed, try to burn his ignite and R.”
“Not that hard as you may think but be careful about his W slow”
“Respect his early game damage. In the midgame, don't get caught out of position by him. Get an early Seeker's Armguard and keep a Control Ward on the map at all times to make his botlane roams harder.”
“This guy is so annoying because he will spam you with W. Try to reach level 6 before him. If he dies once, he cannot do anything.”
“Talon's map pressure is too strong early, spam ping everytime he vanishes for even a second, try to not die for his level 2 ignite all in, and always take electrocute with relentless hunter so you can follow his roamings.”
“Be very carefull cause he can roam easily.”
“Pretty hard to deal with, even if he is 0/5 he still can one shot you with his ultimate for no reason at all. Fight him when his ignite is down, or cheese him lvl 1 with w”
“Something like Yasuo you can't really trade with him. But apart from Yasuo he can't really escape from you (If he is not near a wall).”
“Sword + pots
Skill matchup. Depends on who know their champion better. Pretty much comes down to who can burst who. Play smart and avoid taking 3 stacks from his passive and you should win. he can match your roams and vice-versa. One of the more fun matchups midlane.”
“Just don't let him poke you and you will win trades. If he is in execute range and you are low, ult on top of yourself, generally talon players will try to kill you before thinking about escaping. ”
“If you can avoid his dagger's so he can't pop your passive and stack his passive on you, you're fine. if you CANT dodge his daggers, and he pop's your passive and stacks his passive, you die. pretty much as simple as that really. You can significantly hurt his attempts to all in you after level 6 too, but if you do give him a chance to combo you, you WILL die. ”
“Trade when his W rake is on CD. Don't let him proc passive on you, it takes 3 abilities to land for him to proc it and he has to auto attack. Setup with Q daggers and poke in and out. Setting up with E-W means you'll take his full burst damage unless his abilities are on CD. Watch for his melee range Q as it crits. At level 6, your ult overpowers his ult.”
“Dont get hit by his w and you outpoke him, dont be affraid to use auto attacks either if he wasted his w or missed it.”
“care for his lvl2 cheese and don't fight him alone”
“HoB/Cloth armor. Talon finally received a meaningful nerf through the recent Tiamat cost increase. He’s still unbelievably busted and will execute your entire team with with terrifying efficiency if he is allowed agency in the game. You can’t hope to match his roams, so your job is to control him and keep his health too low for him to even think about it. Don’t underestimate his early game combos, they hurt way too much for such a slippery and mobile champ. His level 2 does an incredible amount of damage, and he probably has the most dangerous level 2 in the entire game. Wait until level 3 to trade. Starting cloth armor seems to work wonders; you need a little bit of armor to prevent being bursted down too low and preventing you from re-trading. Gets you a faster Seeker's, which is always a good idea. Trades are pretty much even at level 3 with this start. Never let him proc his passive or electrocute for free. You can easily run out of his W recall with your W, and the first half of the ability pretty much does chip damage. At 6, immediately ult at him and force his ult. He should retreat knowing he can't stand up to you, but if he all ins you should survive with a stacked Seeker’s. Then keep doing it. Killing him isn’t the point; it’s to apply enough pressure to force him back continually and off of your other lanes, who will int to him in half a heartbeat if you let them. A roaming Talon is MUCH less threatening without his ult. If he goes for one anyway, shove in and build a level lead, and make sure to spam ping while you’re doing it. ”
“Talon is practically a glass cannon. Once his abilities are down, there isn't much he can do. Be careful of letting him roam and getting fed.”
“He can burst you very quickly, don't let him poke you in early, instead you need to poke him. When he gets 6 push your waves when you can so he can't roam (try not to lose farm as well). If he uses R quickly place your E there because you can't get through it.”
“Can kill you, stay away.”
“go dark harvest because he will roam, you pick up kills with your R. ”
“I always ban this guy because of his parkour skills and infinite damage on all abilities”
“All assassins can be a threat to karma. Her only way to win against Assassin or AD champions in general is by poking them and get them under 40% HP to win the ifhg by a gank or go in with full hp and do 1 R Q and ignite them and do some basic Attacks. Most importantly remember to root them with W”
“Build Zhonyas after Sanguine for him and Zed (If they are not terribly behind), do not ever get hit by the return of his W on lane. Buying stopwatch on his lv 6 can also save the game.”
“UNHOLY DAMAGE WITH HIS PASSIVE. Jesus does this guy hurt. you can outrade him all the time as long as he doesnt hit you with his bleed. If he throws his W move sideways to dodge it coming back. If you do it successfully Auto+Q and auto until you feel like his CDs are back up. Try to always trade with Super Q. Once he hits 6 if he uses his ult try to play reactively in the sense that you can pool his damage before he ults you like Syndra ult you can just poke him down and set up the one shot but be careful of his passive”
“Same as Pantheon, an early lead will guarantee a win for your lane.”
“Beware of his w and you'll be fine. Resolve: Bone Plating + Overgrowth/Unflinching is very good here.”
“High poke and all in potential, look to full combo when a charm is landed. Talon will ult towards you, use this opportunity to retreat to tower and charm, stunning his ult time and dmg.”
“One of the toughest matchups out there. Dodge or ban if possible in champ select. If not, then go ahead and stack armour, ping your team whenever he's missing, try to roam and just not die in lane. The only way you can poke him, is whenever his W is down pre-6.”
“Try to do not get 3 wound stacks against him.”
“Watch out for level 2 powerspike and his roams”
“dont get hit by his w and you should be fine”
“Dont die early, land Q while trading, keep distance and poke. Remember to ss.”
“Talon. If he's missing do not roam looking for him just ping it don;t over extend and if he presses R use e and run. A trick is if he press r in front of you he's 9/10 running in a straight line so ult and run.”
“Take ignite ,try rushing armguard asap while punishing as much as u can without dying to him early.”
“He can easily one shot your plants and roam as well. Talon has fairly good wave clear at the moment so it can be difficult to punish him. Get an early seeker's armguard (do not need to upgrade it) and try to poke him. If he's aggressive, you can call for ganks (especially pre-6). Post-6 you may wish to pick up a sweeper, as it will show you his location in his ultimate.”
“you can just stun him and get invisible, he can't combo you if you're invisible since he needs a target to land his entire combo”
“Take Comet or PTA. You can Ult > Q > W him while he is invisible in the start of his Ult animation to help you win an all-in. Respect his Lv 2-5 Damage.”
“Talon is a full engage champion. Just like Ekko. But what makes him fragile is his leap towards you. It deals a lot of damage, sure. But that is where you can deal a lot of damage too, and potentially outplay him with your W-Ability when he tries to retreat. Not to forget, your Ultimate does kinda outsmart his ultimate.”
“his early lane dominance is a little annoying, but as long as you just take barrier and hit your e, you should be fine.”
“You can't really play vs him. He can farm from a safe distance and also outpoke you. Don't die in lane and try to scale against him. If he freezes the wave, you are doomed. You either ban zed or talon everytime. You can go Zhonyas but theres no point, only way is to ping your jungler. ”
“Poke him with Q
If he jump on you
Q AA W and go back
Barrier + ignite will make him unable to dive”
“Melee matchups are more forgiving and skill-based, letting Yone get easier time to get good trades off and being easier to maximize Spirit Form's damage.”
“Poke him to fight and never walk up. Spam ping danger when he goes missing, or you'll cry when he comes back to lane with 3 kills. Only try to fight him when he's in your kill range. With the amount of bonus health built with this build,
it is much harder to burst you. In lane is the most dangerous with this type of build.
Preferred rune: Comet”
“His passive bleed can be a problem but your shroud can counter him.”
“He just W Q R you and thats it”
“Kassadin has a difficulty when it comes Damage base Mid lane Champions like talon that can escape easily with her Third ability (Assassins Path) that can jump though walls and other things. With talon skills he is difficult to match with with her Rake (Second Skill) that can deal damage and slow you and talon's Noxian Diplomacy that can deal damage and talon's last skill (Shadow Assault) that make him invisible and deal a lot of damage.”
“Yone is squishy and Talon excels at deleting you. You need to work around your E and knock him up so you can burst him down first :)”
“You outrange him but he's an assassin so naturally he has a really good all in. just stay back and farm.”
“Cancer champ rush start cloth 4 rush armguard try to survive early and dont let him roam for free. You will outscale mid to late game.”
“Harras him with your auto attacks and Q but make sure he can't close the gap on you. Ping your teammates when he is roaming.”
“Skill matchup COMMENCE!”
“More info in the match up section”
“Talon is an even matchup for you, as when he tries to proc his passive on you, just Q him and run away.”
“Anti-Assassin
Summoner Spells: Exhaust/Flash----
Build Path: Rod of Ages, Sorcerers Shoes, Liandry's Torment, Zhonyhas Hourglass, Void Staff, Rabadon's Deathcap.
----Rune Page: Electrocute, Taste of Blood, Ultimate Hunter, Zombie Ward, Presence of Mind, and Last Stand.----
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“You can stack armor to negate damage and outscale him. But due to his mobility he can just out roam you and win the game through his superior roams.”
“Try to wave clear and keep him from roaming.
If he doesn't get on you you don't have anything to worry about so play safe.
Be careful when roaming or going to clear a ward, he can hop over a wall and whollup you fast.
Ping your allied lanes to be careful when he leaves lane. ”
“so this is the ad asol expect that kassadin ultrasucks in this matchup, you outscale at 16 but before that gl, he roams and kills everything except if you ping your teammates (maybe), dont get hit by the full w and youre good to go, be careful after 6 because his r gives 2 stacks of passive nevertheless, but its winnable
fleet+res”
“ad melee champs like talon and yasuo are easy shit bc once you get a cloth armor they can't do anything on you, and you do much more damage at melee so they never win trades”
“Easy lane. Rush Seekers if you have to. Poke him down, watch out for his lvl 2 and his W poke. Ping when he's MIA.
Take electrocute/conq”
“Worse than Zed, hurts lots and lots more. Forces you out of lane easily, you will need a lot of jungler help for this one. Just leave the lane and help push bot, don't look back.”
“Shits on you levels 1 and 2. Play VERY safe cause he can easily kill you. After level 2 only take small trades with eq after he throws his w IF you still have passive shield up.
When he roams shove minions under his turret and spam ping your teammates he is roaming. You do outscale Talon if he doesn't snowball too hard.”
“Be careful of his level 2 and make sure to get your E second. Also get zhonya's first item. Max your turrets and punish him if he tries to destroy them. ”
“As long as you can land your e over walls he won't be hard to chase. You can build Zhonyas against him if you don't feel conformable. You should be fine though.”
“Start with cloth armour and health potions and rush Seekers Armguard if under preasure (try to aim for gunblade though, unless you really need it). Farm as much as you can and try your best to dodge his (W). If his (W) is on cool-down you can harass him and consume your (Q) mark. He will look to roam a lot so be sure to either follow him or be ahead of him and roam yourself.
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“Skill based matchup. But i still think talon got the advantage in lane. Dodge his W, dont let him procc his passive. ”
“IF YOU COME CLOSE HE FUCKS YOU UP, WAIT FOR HIM TO USE HABILITIES AND TRY TO TRADE WITH E+Q+W
ALSO CAN PERMA ROAM VS KASSADIN, IF YOURE VS TALON JUST DODGE”
“This matchup depends on enemy whether he is good or not.”
“Because Ahri's early game is not the strongest, early game dominators like Talon can be a major threat to Ahri. Best thing to do is play safe until you get ult and are able to get away.”
“you should wait he dont have his R and then you can easily kill him”
“Talon can be a problem since he will be able to one shot most champions but the threat is kinda little since for his ult to go on you he has to go in a straight line towards you so its actually really easy to land a charm and burst him down before he can kill you.”
“Skill based matchup. You should always stay away a bit so he won't hit a empowered Q on you. Poke him in lane with Q and dodge the second part of his W with your dash. If you have good reactions, stay in the same place when he ults, so you can chronobreak on him when he exists ult by attacking you.”
“skill matchup, but he can roam better than you, push better than you, and do more with a lead than you”
“Save RW for when he jumps onto you. Since he has to come to you, you'll be able to constantly be refreshing Mantra while poking him consistently.
Try focusing on pushing the lane to stop him from rotating as often, as there's no way you'll be able to keep up with him. Ping enough and try to get Tower slots whenever he makes a move, or take Teleport to try and countergank.”
“Talon focuses only on diving you, he is a small threat when he is seen but it gets bigger when his tactic is to hide on bushes and dive you to counter Talon use your Q again and again until he reaches 55% HP and then you are free to dive him with all your abilities”
“Talon always did a lot of damage but now that he goes conqueror , ekko cannot burst his tankiness. You have to spam ping all talon roams and try to end the game early before he gets deaths dance.”
“You can't really deal with him. He can farm from a safe distance and also poke you. He will pretty sure roam on early, ping it always, don't die to lane and try to scale against him. If he freezes the wave, you are doomed. You either ban zed or talon everytime.”
“Try to kill him in 2v1, ping for help
Btw, don't forget to take bone plating against.
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“Use your W to block his R or W. He'll have insane map pressure be sure to buy pink wards and ping.”
“si no te pega el freezbe no te hace nada, te van a reportar poruqe va a romear. que no te mate y que no se fedee. cometa elec dh”
“Talon can counter-gank very efficiently, but does not have a game changing ult like Pyke. Pyke will generally outmatch Talon.”
“Poke and pressure level 1 and back off level 2 to avoid being level 2 all inned. Talon can also jump to you and then throw his w to try and proc his passive that way. Even if behind he still can one shot you. Buy Seeker's or at least cloth armor on your first back because an early seeker's neuters him to the point of uselessness levels 3-7. Talon is also one of the few lanes where going double armor runes might be helpful. ----- (Patch 10.7 Note) After the nerfs to his early W. it is much harder for him to kill you lvl 2, and he cannot one shot you from full hp. Still, be very careful of him because he still will easily burst you and one shot you later on.”
“Talon can't really all in Karma since she can RW and E away and poke him from afar but his most threatening asset is roaming potential. Always keep an eye on him and follow him if you see him leave. Take teleport/barrier/igntie. Go RoA+Seraphs.”
“Talon is a melee so Galio should be favourable.His early damage is better and his waveclear is better as well.If talon gets nerfed ( He is op for so long) this muchup should be even.”
“This may seem like an insane matchup, but it isnt. Rush seekers, and hug your tower as much as possible. At level 6, use your ult to escape his 2nd W hitting. Talon cannot one shot you if you are under a tower. Outscale him at 11, and ping teammates immediately if he is MIA. This champ can roam.”
“You should win this. No real tips for this matchup”
“You can easy poke him, until level 6 try to just w (Sanguine pool) his q if he double hits you with w. easy match up i suggest you zhonyas tho, his damage is kind unbalanced, also care for talon's roam, he might get fed from that.”
“mobile. u can take exhaust tho. stay a long way away. buy zhonyas, you may need it”
“Just as I said at Syndra, poke is the key.”
“Be careful for Talon's level 2 kill potential. That's the only reason he's a 3 threat. As long as you don't miss your Q, you will shred him. Hit those combos and if he dives you, as soon as he's visible out of his ultimate, root him. He can't dive you if you're under turret unless you're super low because you can just root him under it.”
“Careful for his level 2 all-in, otherwise, pretty even.”
“Talon players tend to buy an early Hexdrinker in most games simply to have a defensive tool when going all-in with their abilities. He can get hit by your W and R while being invisible in his ultimate, make use out of it to lock him down with your combo. Dodging his W is important so he can't stack up his passive on you, avoiding unnecessary damage that can lose you a 1vs1 fight. If you struggle too hard, pick up Exhaust to stop him from getting early kills and care for his roaming due to his wall jumping.”
“Stay away from walls and know when he has his r up. Early game shove him in so he cant roam. Pre6 you will want to be bullying him and poking him out of lane. Do not trade with talon if he can get his passive off because that can easily kill you. Don't underestimate his oneshot potential. Lategame he can still oneshot you due to his passive.”
“Extremely Hard to do anything in this matchup as Talon can one-shot you after he hits 6. Just try and farm and scale up. Ping like crazy when he roams.”
“He has a lot of burst dps, don't let him engage since he's able to poke you early, fight him only if you have a stolen ult, if possible- his, play extremely safe, ask for assistance,”
“He's Talon you will never have a true lead, use E when he uses W to dodge the second part of his passive, and use your root to all in and your canopy to trade”
“dodge his w, dont let him get 3 stacks of passive he will kill you, if you dodge w will kill him most of the time, skill matchup”
“Playing into Talon is kind of hard, but still definitely winnable. Surrender the wave at level 2, as if you don't he will kill you and snowball off that kill. look to try and trade at level 3, as he cannot Q you while you are in W and can look to try and outplay and maybe even kill. Level 6 is even between the two, with the advantage being slightly favored to talon due to his invisibility with his R, just try to predict his movement in his R and you should be fine. ”
“You need to keep distance but u can easli kill him if he is without r”
“He wins short trades off his w, q. Proc Phase Rush then run for your life.”
“Read below in the matchup section for more info!”
“Hard but not impossible. It used to be really easy to punish talon in lane, now without shields and low base armor, you find yourself having to take much less trades. however, rush seekers and transition into your build without dying and all will be well. there are still some roams he can get off but you should be able to shove him in 90% of the time(after level 5). look to group with your team if he's getting out of control, one EW and he should be dead”
“Play extremely safe at level 1 and 2. Then look for a level 3 all in. Remember to get out immediately if he hit both parts of his W. Only use R when he doesn't have his, or you can kill him fast enough. Remember your R provides TRUE VISION, so he can't turn invisible.
He has the waveclear and roaming advantage always. If he roams, spam ping your team back.”
“Rush Armguard's Seeker”
“He will jump on you and usually you can't escape, so he is a tough fight.”
“With the proper build he cannot 100 to 0 you. Poke him up a bit, pressure him. He won't roam, he won't dare to engage you as he won't have the damage. Just build the armguard, and the HP part of Liandry or Morello. In extreme cases you can go Ninja tabi. He does not have the damage to kill you, but you do. Play it properly and you win every time. ”
“He is strong early where you aren't. Play your lane safe and don't let him snowball off you. If the Talon is good and roams punish him by pushing waves, if he stays keep the lane in a safe position. Good ult for roams or skirmishes if you know how to use it.”
“Talon's heavy burst and lane sustain/high escape potential make him a tough opponent for Yasuo, especially in the earlier stages of the game.
Try to deny the return damage of Talon's W to deny him the passive and/or electrocute proc.
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“High burst damage, however has to get close, so make sure to save your stun for his lunge. Your e is a good counter to his ultimate too”
“he roams way too easilly,he is ad so your spell shield aint gonna do s*** and he has a pretty dangerous burst potential.”
“go barrier/exhaust and rush seekers armguard - try to pressure and push mid while he roams since you cant follow him”
“Basically noxian zed. Build zhonya's to survive the lvl 6 all in. Ganks won't help if he's not stupid since he can jump over things”
“Play as passive as possible against him and look to rotate with your jg to secure kills and get ahead. Don't roam a lot vs him due to his e.”
“Talon thrives on champions who are severely weak in the early game, which means you won't be having fun dealing with him. I highly recommend banning this shithead. By the off chance that you get stuck against him, play safe and stay as close to tower as you need to. Don't greed for farm, and use your Q and R as necessary. When Talon leaves lane to roam, shove up the wave as much as possible while keeping the river sides warded, then either recall or retreat to near the tower. Remember that it's okay to lose a lot of farm if it means you don't feed him kills.”
“wait for his W to miss and then you can trade, just dodge his W and you should be safe, try not to let him roam.”
“Skill matchup. He needs to jump directly on you to trade well. If you do not give him the opportunity to do so, he'll never reach you. However, his Q puts him at a disadvantage against you, since with good reaction time you can throw your E under him, procing half your stones, then throw him away with W and finish him off. Be fast, or he'll kill you.”
“Hardest matchup early since he can burst you at lvl 2. He falls off like crazy as the game goes on so just hug your tower, farm and be patient”
“Start Doran's Shield, dont get hit by his W alot, go for E W Q combo so you dont get hit by has W
ask for some help in lane if you need it”
“he will cry vs you, i could already say "old Talon" view Assasin patch and decide yourself then”
“Talon's early game is everything you don't want to play against when playing A sol. You want to watch for his lvl 2 power spike and you want to farm from a safe distance away from his W's range. You can bully him with your W when he's farming but you wan't to back away so you don't get hit by both parts of his W.”
“Don't pick Morgana into Talon.”
“It's an op pick on mid. His abilities can keep katarina on distance and can easily escape from your attacks”
“ban,or use barrier. Better ganks than u, better burst.”
“Perma ban him, he perm shoves and roams and your teammates don't listen to pings so he ends up making your team afk”
“Max e and build armor and call out roams as you can and keep him shoved in after 6 so he will loose cs everytime he roams. Its hard to keep him at bay in lower elos but your teammates should listen to pings in plat+ if you spamping enough.”
“Not as bad of a matchup as some Zeds think. You can poke him for free every time he steps up to hit the wave, especially if he wastes Rake. You definitely will lose trades early since his base damages are absurd. As you get more items, the matchup becomes more and more in your favor.”
“Basically the same as Zed and Diana. However, he is much easier to poke. Pre 6 it's somewhat even, just keep your distance and never get within his Q range because that'll be a sticky situation. Post 6, avoid fighting him and wait for teamfights.”
“Read in counters section:”
“ with recent talon nerfs, lane should be a lot easier
if you really want to play safe then take double armor stats in runes
as long as you dodge one part of his W then you outdamage him pre 6
since he can't proc his passive
usually if you try to walk up to melee a minion he will W you (this is very predictable) so as soon as you see the animation for W then E behind him to dodge both parts then beat him up”
“counter match up look for your junlger assistence ”
THE BEST ZED INDEPTH GUIDE FOR SEASON 10 WITH MATCHUPS BABES
by theboywhodominatedaplat | Zed Player
THE BEST ZED INDEPTH GUIDE FOR SEASON 10 WITH MATCHUPS BABES
by theboywhodominatedaplat | Zed Player
“Talon has very good poke and is an AD assassin that can shred you very fast if you aren't careful. Focus on poking and CS, and try to play safe. near your turret until you can roam.”
“ur squishy liddol baby n he do big damage ”
“His WQAA+ Passive damage is REALLY high, so dodge his W. After you dodge it you can all in ( before 6). After 6 you have to dodge W and then, when he ults, E away on your minions, so that you can engage him again shortly after.”
“Skill matchup heavily favouring you. Level 3-5 go all in if he misses his W1 and W2. Level 6 onwards whoever ults first loses, get Oracles. You're W-E-Q is much easier to land than his combo. PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR HIS LEVEL 2, YOU CANNOT 1V1 HIM AT THAT POINT. Hit 6 before him? All in. ”
“Be very cautious with Talon. If you're overextended, and all your abilities are on CD, but he has all his abilities, say bye bye. Bait out his abilities. Shrouding when he ults is very effective. ”
“well if ur a main u sht on him but if u r not u most certanly are royaly fked
if u wanna win just pick barrier trade him on to lvl 2 so that u both are halflife wait to get lvl 3 without getting poked be under ur turret or atlast on ur side of the map miss ur e behind u in turret range so that he sees it then he will press q(his jump that follows u anywhere) and flash in ur bubble if u time it while hes jumping he will be in ur buble under ur turret then ho mostly runs one step out of the turret u follow he all ins u but u just press barrier steal his flash and ignite and he dies can be made without f if u have ult but that kinda takes more skill”
“Nowadays Talon players play him with Conqueror, that provides him with a good sustain. You basically just farm up and roam to sidelanes, there is no point of 1v1 him, because he outdamages you pretty hard”
“Impossible matchup to win if equal skill. Even if you do not die to him, he will hyper-roam. Very hard to 1v1 aswell. Only downside is that he falls off post 20 and you will have more use. ”
“he has strong early game all-in, and roams better than you ,but i don't find this matchup dificult unless you're against yamikaze.zhonya is a must.”
“Talon isn't as bad as Yasuo or Le Blanc (because you can win) but he isn't as easy as Zed.
The number one rule of Talon that you may have heard before is the level 2 and 3 powerspikes. Talon is the first blood king and all of that.
Respect him during that time and farm safe. Do not step in the line of Rake, instead pick a position that would make Rake have less value (not in the minion wave but still able to Q the minions).
If you reach level 6 without dying, congrats, you have gotten out of the fire. But you aren't at victory just yet.
Talon will roam, and be sure to call missing every single time he is not on your screen. I'm not being over dramatic, this is what you have to do.
Overall, Talon has no easy weakness and he is a good ban if you feel like you can handle Yasuo.”
“Good waveclear and roaming potential. Be careful for his all in, and keep your ult for disengaging.”
“Do not get triple stacked for your own sake as he can pack a punch. But here is the good part. By using your Q latch, you can easily dodge his returning W blades by going behind him and thus getting rid of his burst that he heavily relies on. You are also capable of seeing his general location in his ult if he is marked. Ulting him shuts him down pretty hard like any other assassin under CC. Your speed is also capable of catching him after his jumps, but not recommended unless you have your ult to jump with him, or your Q to latch to him. Due to his slow jump, it is very easy to latch, thus also giving him an easier rating as a matchup. Your E is extremely useful as it deals with his burst overall, and should be immediately used if he Ults to counter the incoming blades. The fear also puts him on a disadvantage as your next Q will hit fairly easily, granting you the HP that you lost right back at you, possibly even more as your E reduced the damage =)”
“Starting Item: Dorans + Potion
Its a hard matchup, but not impossible.
keep distance, mind hes E.”
“level 2 de talona ölmeyin
w sunun geri dönüşünü asla yemeyin
rün olarak kesinlikle kemik zırh (bone plating) e ihtiyacınız var zedde olduğu gibi talonu da outscale edebilirsiniz (oyun yeterince uzarsa) ”
“Attention il peut roamer très vite ou vous détruire.Early mid ou late game il vous 1v1 ne le jouez pas”
“Ever since they removed his blink, this matchup just got easy. You'll want to ward to stop him from roaming though. Poke him in lane because he's melee and push so hard that he can't roam. If he does roam, don't try to directly follow him because he could kill you when not in lane if you're not fed.”
“He has his infamous level 2 combo with his passive early. Watch for it. If he leaves lane and you don't have vision, don't facecheck him or he might stay and one shot you instead. Try barrier if struggling, maybe phase rush.”
“Do not doubt his level 2 damage, it's an insane amount of damage that will delete even Galio, you have to respect it. He's an incredibly good roamer but you can follow level 6 with relative ease.”
“set up a slowpush, poke him and control lane for the first few levels. You have more power than him to dominate lane until he gets his combo. You can poke him out of lane and outtrade him with proper positioning and wave management. ”
“high burst can out roam you and get kills hard to farm vs ”
“Not as mobile in lane as Zed or Yasuo so not as much of a threat to you.Q
Pre-6 you should be able to poke him out of lane while outfarming him.
Ping your team when he disappears so he doesn't roam and get fed.
Rush Zhonya's after boots.”
“the talon matchup is normally not winnable, especially when he starts roaming u must not follow him at any time! He will probably just 1 shot you and delay your lategame spike. Try to warn your laners and keep scaling, you will get a feeling when you can 1v1 him. ”
“melee assasin , but your aftershock really helps in this scenario , skill matchup”
“Mostly don't get killed by his all in. Also, make sure to dodge his poke when you can. A jungler with CC is good in this match-up because if you can't kill before he starts jumping over walls then it'' be hard to secure. Take doran's shield.”
“When you lane against him, make sure to get barrier and put your e before his combo starts, if you lose in lane phase you could do something in late.”
“talon is a very strong assasin with high dmg but low hp he can run from your ult by jumping through walls when you play vs him just play very defensivly when you have around half of hp you have to recal if there is no team fight or an ocasion to get a tower or objective ”
“His R can help him dodge all your damage after you ult and he has pretty good roaming compared to you. Keep track of his roams with wards and alert your team.”
“Talon has stronger wave clear but when his W is on CD then AA the wave to keep him from shoving too hard. Wards are key as he will likely roam for kills. ”
“Should be Pretty easy just dodge his W and he will never go in unless he has a gank and you can jsut want for him to step near one of of your daggers then combo him to death (should 1 shot him before lvl 5)”
“Dodge his W, and you should be good, it's what he will max first and you can still hit him with your ult and W. His E no longer silences you so he cannot stop you any longer >:D”
“Don't let him hit the return part of his W. After level 6, if he throws his W out onto you, you can use the Q + E combo onto him and then R backwards to avoid getting hit with the return of the blades. ”
“Talon is a strong burst similar to Zed. However, if you can dodge / wall the blades it will become an easy lane.”
“He wins the first couple levels, but poke him down and post level 3 he's yours. Watch for him to roam to try to win.”
“Talon after rework is easier to deal with. He doesn't have the burst damage he once had. He can't oneshot you after 6 in a second. He doesn't have a good enough gapclose and his w is easier to dodge when it returns to him. In lane just poke him with q and e and when his hp is low go in and kill him. Just keep your distance and harass and you will beat him. Ping when he is missing because now he has a lot of mobility, but if you play it right the lane is yours. He isn't the assassin he once was, don't be too afraid of him but don't be too relaxed either.”
“ahhh hello fellow assassin:). Most talon players will try to go for a all in level 2 so watch out for that. Unlock W level 1/2 and try to bait out his all in on your clone. At level 6 when he ults on you use w to go invisible and hope that he dives on your clone. If he dives on you you can use your ult to instantly knock him up and back off so he can't complete his combo. Overall even lane as you will both be wanting to roam a lot.”
“Annoying roamer if you play your cards right you can win this lane but the fact that when he roams you shove his minions to the turret, making all his unsuccessful ganks a netprofit. Rylias 2nd item.”
“Ignite/Barrier matchup.
Literally easiest AD matchup for Azir. IF you know what you're doing. Levels 1 to 3 setup soldiers on minions, force him to farm with W or else he tanks autos. If he throws rake, walk away to the side or backwards. If he hits you twice, he wins, even if you do more damage as landing passive stacks on you is beneficial for him. Never be within his Q range, its very small. If he Q's a minion and kills it, the CD is cut down by half. Constantly shove him in, rush stinger to match his shove. He literally cannot do anything against you, except throw W's which do no damage. If he does manage to land 2 W's, just walk back and wait out the passive duration. Ward inlane, or side bushes/river to stop his roams. If he suddenly disappears, he is doing either 2 things. 1, he is roaming, or 2, he is flanking behind your walls to try kill you. Use your judgement, and also save W E Q if its the latter. This matchup becomes very very easy if you're experienced, as his playstyle is so linear and predictable. If he roams a lane without shoving first, he loses a lot of exp and cs, and you can get platings, so its usually worth. Otherwise, ping MIA once he dips lane. ”
“Terrible match up. Unless you have a solid jungler I would avoid fighting him, early on you won't have the mana to shove the wave more than he can so farm where you can under turret and ping your side lanes when he roams and shove the wave under his turret. After you build Lost Chapter shove and roam. Against all high level threats the best way to get ahead is to let them shove, ping when they roam, if they don't get a kill on the roam they lose 2-3 waves and tons of XP.”
“dont fuck up early and you should be fine, if he uses his w in the early game you have a small window to go agressive on him”
“Threat level 9.
This guy is a huge pain. If you try and play safe and prevent him from killing you, he roams and kills your allies. If you try and get kills, he'll kill you, then roam and kill your allies. The best you can do in this lane is farm, and get an hourglass for the late game.”
“Every assasin is an extreme threat to mages, including Neeko. Talon has one of the best early games, so be careful.”
“take grasp runepage and you can counter him. he'll start roaming the map before you do so spam ping ur team and push the wave and take plating and XP. late game you outscale. rush seekers”
“just dont like him, his roams can match yours”
“Can easily kill you every time he has ignite up after lvl 2. It is also hard to time your ult during his ult.”
“He punishes mistakes really hard and you simply can't use your grenade as he is quite mobile. On top of that he has an ability to clear turrets from range and dangerous burst at lvl 2 and 6. Also his mobility and invis on ult can be rather annoying to deal with. Best option is to take Exhaust and build Seeker's early and keep in mind: Talon is an amazing roamer, try to pressure him so he can't roam for free and snowball.”
“The key early game is to dodge the return trip of his W--when he throws it out, dodge to the side with your E so that the return trip misses, then go in on him. He loses early trades without his passive, and before he has his ultimate he can't apply his passive without hitting the return of his W. His kit's power is now much more balanced around his roaming ability, so ping both bot and top the second you notice he's not in lane. He's honestly a rougher matchup for your bot and top lanes than he is for you right now. Don't bother trying to follow him when he roams, since he'll get where he's going much faster than you will because of all the out-of-combat movespeed he builds and his E. Instead, just shove in the lane and try to either take his tower or at least just cause a bunch of your minions to die to tower to deny him CS and experience. And PING!!!”
“Wow, the "i barely do anything but i can kill u lvl 2 anyway haha" champ.
Buy Rod of Ages, go barrier, AND PRAY, PRAY FOR GANKS.”
“He can literally oneshot you if you are not careful enough. Before level 2, he is pretty easy to deal with, but once he has his dash he is a lot harder to deal with.”
“do not trade level 2, he will always win when hes on the same skill level as you. Same as Zed matchup.
Dont die level 2 and always ping if e roams. He falls of after 3 items.”
“Stay as passive as hell, buy early armor, pray you don't get deleted, you outscale hard. Spam-ping the hell out of sidelanes when missing, he has great roam potential”
“Try to avoid Talon levels 1-5 if possible, His passive stacks will almost always outrade you and with Diana's shield being on a higher cooldown it is not as easy to soak up damage.”
“He outrades you because of his passive and has the ability to kill you lvl 2 so just play safe. You can bait R or Q with clone so try to keep that on mind. Wait for ganks”
“You cant lane. Just roam and let him play vs your tower. He have to counter roam you, and u dont care him. ”
“Care a lot of lvl 2, he can also follow you easily in roams, also go for tabi's and zhonya's. You do outscale him in teamfights. ”
“With the proper build he cannot 100 to 0 you. Poke him up a bit, pressure him. He won't roam, he won't dare to engage you as he won't have the damage. Just build the armguard, and the HP part of Morello. In extreme cases you can go Ninja tabi. He does not have the damage to kill you, but you do. Play it properly and you win every time. ”
“Start DBlade. Don't let him hit both parts of W, if he does then he may try Q, try to cancel Q with pull.”
“Play safe early and try to help your team with ults until your jg ganks.”
“Talon is really strong against you.
If he leaps over a wall, try to react as quickly as possible and stun him at that wall. If you see him ulting, try to estimate where he's gonna be at that time and ult him. If you ult yourself, his ult is easily countered, but his shortranged Q and his W are enough to kill you instantly, so it possibly isn't the best thing to do anymore.”
“Major threat in lane. You win lvl 1 trades, but after that its all downhill. Freeze wave under tower and try to cs, if you can get jungler to gank.
(gankable, freeze wave)”
“This matchup is even, playing against him should be fine unless he pokes you a lot, if he does he can probably one shot level 3 or make you waste your flash.”
“Oh sh-
He becomes a problem, he has a lot of damage once you feed him
Feed him, over.”
“Harass him early and dodge his Rake, as if hes able to proc his passive on you when you have 3 wounds it does a ton of damage. Talons Q can leave him very vulnerable if wastes it on a minion or if hes jumps onto you with it, so it leaves him open to an easier stun. After level 6 never overstay or he can all-in you as he really quickly gets to the point where he can oneshot people that aren't at full HP. His Ult makes him impossible to stun before he jumps on you unless you predict his position while hes invisible, otherwise you have to be reactive to it. You can get Sweeping/Oracles Lens to better track him when he Ults and once you get a Zhonya's Hourglass you negate a lot of his assassination potential against you. His E makes him pretty tricky to chase, so its never really worth chasing after him. Talon likes to push a roam so be SURE to aggressively warn your sidelaners when he might be roaming.”
[9.21] S8/S9 Diamond - Midlane Heimerdinger - In-Depth Guide
by Euphoric Toaster | Heimerdinger Player
[9.21] S8/S9 Diamond - Midlane Heimerdinger - In-Depth Guide
by Euphoric Toaster | Heimerdinger Player
“Extreme bullshit W hitbox, you can oneshot him with Ludens if he does not build Magic resist.
But he'll one shot you.
Hourglass recommended.”
“take tp get to lvl 3 then just kill him after tping if you are not mounted on skarrl back he wins lvl 2 you win lvl 3 ”
“A melee champ that doesn't have a lot of mobility, E him to death and use your Q to spot him in case he uses his ult. Beware that he can still stick to you for a long time, try to get away from him as fast as you can if he all-ins you.”
“hit him so much until he gets brain tumors with your auto + q&w. Use shields effectively into poorly timed all ins and kill him if he fights you in your wave. Respect his level 3 all in and level 6 all in. You should have priority for most of the laning phase with exception to level 1 shove cheese.”
“Damage is high. His Q allows to dash to you, meaning that your W (Windwall) will be useless against him when he dashes to you. You should avoid facing him until you have your first full item.”
“Well this is not old talon,basically to one shot you he needs to hit level 2,if you harass him level 1 a lot he will not be able to trade back level 2,don't let him have minions. The one task you have to do is to harass him and zone him out of the wave. When he hits level 2 just keep in mind his all in combo. Dont underestimate it.”
“Dodge W and trade when it is down. After 6 try to play safer in lane especially when you get hit by W.”
“Talon is a hard matchup but you can win if you block his abilities and deny his passive as much as possible.”
“Don't use your R before his own and don't approach him in Early Game because you won't absorb the damage from his Passive
When you get a combo with R don't let him catch you. Use you W2 and R2 to outsmart him and move fast”
“Maybe the Worst of All, he can be invisible, burst damage is high and they can easyly kill your turrets, how can they be more annoying? oh yeah they jump walls, so they can run away from your turrets and ganks lanes very easy.”
“Incredibly bursty and hard to hit. ”
“Talon is a good even matchup since he has alot of damage. But if you get Zhonyas before or after level 6 his ult will do nothing, only if timed correctly it will negate the damage.”
“His mobility and early on powerspyke could run you over. Pretty hard lane to gank...”
“he will try to poke you down with his w then q in for the bleed, if you hit lv3 this can be countered by your W. try to get to 1150 gold asap to shove the wave. this nulifies talons roaming unless he wants his tower to die. Take barier so he cant oneshot. You outtrade him later.”
“D-Blade. Skill matchup. If he ever lands both parts of his W on you, be prepared for either a Q or a flash Q all-in. His level 2 is better than yours, but your 3 is better. A trick to get him to run in and die is to bait his W to hitting you the first time, then dashing in and windwalling behind you to stop them from coming back, thereby only giving him 2 stacks of his passive. This might cause them to engage blindly into you with no passive, meaning you win. Whenever he roams shove and ping repeatedly that he is missing. Take Conqueror.”
“This can go even or just go really bad, you either deny him from farming and roaming or you loose the laning phase and oubviosly the game.
Take oracle lens to counter his ult and wait for him to finish the ult and the you R him and do a double jump combo and maybe get a kill or most likely survive.”
“Talon or the best AD assassin. He will not hesitate to absolutely destroy you in lane and if not you he will destroy your botlane most of the time. Start cloth armor and 4 bots into this nightmare and you should be okay. Be wary that a talon can kill you if he hits level 2 even if you have 70 % hp, W Q Ignite will probably send you back to spawn, and don't think you're safe under tower , some will W flash Q ignite and leave you a bleeding burning mess. He becomes a lot less of a problem later on though as he falls flat compared to your late.”
“If he falls behind, he will stay behind. Another skill matchup. Be sure to harass him before level 6, and know not to overextend as he will kill you very fast. When he uses his ult, try to toss your bubble behind you. He may be invisible, but that doesn't mean he cant be hit by your abilities. Play with caution.”
“This assassin can make it possible to out damage you in the early game, so do not waver and be mindful with when you should go in.”
“Talon have poke (W/Z), extreme mobility (E + R)... Just what you need for makes problems to an Akali !! Try to trade him before level 2 (same as with Qiyana) and then wait the good time to go again and force him to stell under tower and miss farm, he's gonna be forced to roam for trying to get kills... ”
“Dodge. Worst matchup in the game”
“Play safe, wall hops make him mostly non gankable unless u stun.”
“Pretty easy to deal with, very easy to poke him out of lane, and with your W its easy to see where he is, watch out for his ult though you are still pretty squishy ”
“Thats a bad mathcup for Kat, but as all her matchups, you can outplay and win 1v1 against him.
Try to avoid his W and his powe spike lvl 2. At lvl 3 you can start doing LITTLE trades with him. Be careful at his lvl 6, he has a massive dmg and can oneshot you easily.”
“Talon is easy to deal with in lane. Push him into tower early on to deny him CS and prevent him from all inning you amongst your minion line. Eventually you will want to get a zhonyas to counter his ult, but early/mid game focus on pushing him in to deny him the ability to roam and get kills elsewhere.”
“Talon has more than enough damage to kill you early and you cannot keep up with clear and roams. You are simply outclassed. The best you can do is ping and call out accurate MIAs for your team and potentially follow him once you have enough armor.”
“You need zhonyas all the time
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“his allins pre6 hurt you a lot, he can roam and he runaway easily. you usually outmatch him in teamfights. so be careful early. Deny him when he walks up to take farm. Do not push him level 1 to 3. Lets him push you or match his push. He will allin you at all cost level 1 to 3. If he QSS first item look to chapter into zhonya imediately. Finish your ludens later. Start corrupt pot.”
“bursts you in a millisecond, and can maneuver quickly. Buy seekers armguard to help, and move to an hourglass if he tries to dive. Trade pre-6 and only if his ult is on cd. ”
“I've never had a problem with this lane mainly because many talons leave themselves open on full engages. If he comes from side raptor wall and R's you, then you may have a problem, but personally I find laning against him easy.”
“Your slows help you a lot here. You cant really poke him with autoattacks early becouse he might oneshot you. You can use WE combo from a save distance to poke him”
“Difficulty: Medium (Details in Matchup section)”
“If he Q's you, q him right back. Don't get hit by W2 though. You might get all in'd and killed early.”
“Talon may have some trouble dueling you early on, seeing as one of his abilities is completely useless against you in lane. You need to alert your team the second you don't see him in lane anymore, as his E allows him to roam better than any champion in the game, next to Aurelion Sol. Try to put him in the dumpster early and to shove out lane and get some damage on their towers when he roams. You can try to follow him if he roams, but that could end up poorly for you seeing as you get caught out, he'll be in an advantageous position to chase you down.”
“Tabi.
Play safe early levels. because Ignite + his passive, can 1 shot.
Avoid lv 1/2/3 trades.
Get armor runes.
Windwall W / R
care LV 2/3 And lv 6 ”
“D-Shield or Corrupting Potion if you are confident. Don't get hit by his returning W, if you do, stay far far away. His level 2 is so much stronger than you, and he can just jump on you and kill you with Q-W-AA-AA-Ignite or W-Q-AA-Ignite. Watch his level 2, stay safe. When he roams, just farm under tower. DO NOT FOLLOW his roams. He can oneshot you even after your Rod of Ages. You can build Seekers Armguard early if you gave up a kill or two. Max E and take exhaust. Take Grasp of the Undying runepage if you want.”
“Can Snowball hard early if you get killed pre 6.
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“Careful of talon's early game burst. Post 6 you should be fine. Look to go for little trades pre 6”
“Only way you should lose to him is if he roams around getting fed off your team. Talon is a pretty easy match up since unlike most other Mid matchups, he's melee and can't poke you as nearly as much as someone like Ahri or Zyra. If he has you pushed up to your turret then wait until he uses his W and then Q > W > E for an early game kill. If you're 6 then you can start landing easier kills by throwing an unexpected R at him. When laning against a Talon, grab Zhonya's right after Lich Bane. Zhonya's is the best item to counter a Talon because of the activatable ability which counters his ult, as well as the armor to weaken his damage. If Talon ults a decent distance from you, then you can also try to wait it out while on your E, rather than having to waste Zhonya's.”
“ Every other mach up i fine for you”
“for now, the only problem”
“Melee, spam those Qs. Spam ping MIA when he roams or else he'll get fed. Ward around lane.
But if you let him get on you, he'll kill you. E-ing away doesn't help if he ulted, so try to stick to tower the best that you can... which won't be a problem if you're getting shoved in.”
“Your only chance is to take advantage of the 9 second window on his W when he uses it to wave clear pre-6. Unless you have Gunblade, and even sometimes with it, post-6 he wins.”
“Your only chance is to take advantage of the 9 second window on his W when he uses it to wave clear pre-6”
“Don't 1v1 him. Just don't. Mind your Cs and Roam. And if possible counter-gank him.”
“Might look easy but his ultimate damage will impress you. Just play passive after lvl 6.”
“Talon is the one assassin i can think of Malzahart should worry about, he has a solid ranged poke spell in rake and his roams can happen so fast he can just get the wave to stack and roam, he also has great all in and invisibility to prevent getting ulted by Malz, definetly build armguard for him early and wait for ganks as well as try to punish roams.”
“When your enemy team has a Talon mid, you have a task to focus at all times on his position and remind your mid laner to alert you that he is missing. Talon is a roam oriented champ and can make your lane hell if you're not careful.”
“Lane should not be too hard, but in mid game or late he might one shot you, zhonya is a must in this case, try to predict with your charm where he might go if he ults, same when he is jumping over the wall, easy to catch him.”
“Massive damage early with passive proc. Poke him down and always shove wave so he can't roam.”
“He shouldn't be able to jump onto you if you play safely. If he does, you can stun him pretty easily.”
“Farm safe under turret. Satchel Charge him away if he gets too close or throw out your minefield and force him off or to walk through. Zhonya's is a good item.”
“W when he jumps on you for his R and play safe in early. Mid and Late will be stronger for you.”
“Ouch, bursty AD assasins.
Ask for ganks. Nonstop. Can't stop, won't stop. ”
“You should be able to outrun him but the problem is that his ganks are unpredictable as for he can jump over walls.”
“Talon beats you pre-6. get level 6 and kill him
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“Second most hardest lane. You don't win in any scenario, even if you get 5 kills, he will oneshot you when he gets 6. Play safe and ask for ganks. Don't try to kill him, just roam. ”
“Short trades, don't let him proc his passive.”
“Extreme early game, outroams you, oneshots you before you react. Rush Seeker's and always signal when he goes missing, and after lvl 11 it will be free win, you outscale him.”
“Talon is Ekko but AD
His early game is stronger but late ekko wins.
In lane dodge is w it E do the sides and then blink to him Q and AA”
“Avoid fighting him after 6, you're strongest pre 6 vs talon.”
“Talon is a little bit harder, but I honestly don't know, because nobody I play against ever picks talon. Be careful about his invisibility, but remember, if you ult, and then he goes invisible, you can track him with your ult daggers.”
“Try to hit Lv 6 before him and all in him immediately after you hit 6. You need to snowball before he's unkillable because of his R.
Respect his lv 2/3 damage output because he will most likely have 2 points in W which makes him stronger than you.
Make sure you back off when you have 2 Passive stacks on you because he can kill you pretty easy with passive proc.
Quick Tip: Ignite reveals his Silhouette while in R, makes it easier to predict Q's.
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“Easily to encounter. Try to stay from a distance and the more chance is you'll win this matchup. ”
“Easily to encounter. Try to stay from a distance and the more chance is you'll win this matchup. ”
“Keep your distance, poke him early if you can but don't let him proc Electrocute or he will kill you. ”
“Talon's rework was fresh when this guide was first made in season 7, so there's a few notes to be made here. People have gotten good at Talon, but there's only so much he can do. I cannot emphasise how pivotal it is to sidestep the second hit of his W. It really slows you and gives him a free Q dash and Passive proc. This will hurt, and may lead him to killing you early if you've taken Ghost. Not to worry, you're a ranged character with very annoying poke. You can make his life hell before level 6 and he'll be wise to start with Corrupting Potion. If he starts refillable and Long Sword, you can really make it annoying for him. If you're counterganking him in bot, drop an E where he'll land from his parkour, it can make his approach much slower and even keep him in place for a while.”
“Easy Matchup. Just care for his Passiv. Never get by the W when its comming back and you ll win. The lvl 3 burst with ignite is insane!Care”
“Strong mid, and late game”
“Never fight Talon without your W. You forcing him to fight in melee range gives him the empowered Q most of the time in trades, be wary that his damage will increase if it's the Melee part of the Q. Also outpush and outroam him since it's Talon”
“Similar to Rengar, his stealth and jumps make him a significant threat.”
“kill him pre 6 you deal more dmg than him in every state of the game if you dont miss your q ”
“A good talon can always be a big threat ”
“If he ult just throw E”
“If he hits you with his second W he will Q and auto to proc his passive bleed (this combo can kill you early)
Keep pressure with W>E>Q and eventualy all-in him
He will roam so ward and ping teammates
You can dodge his second R with your R
Use 5th rune setup”
“Cok Zorlar Banlayın.”
“Talon is not only strong now but after his assassin update he became one of best snowballing champions in the game. His ability to kill enemy mid on lvl 2 is quite a treat so better not underestimate him. Play carefullly and don't let him stack his passive and try to keep vision around the map so you will know where Talon is. His kit encourage players to roam constantly so if he's good he will keep his eye on other lanes, not only mid lane. Follow him everywhere but remember... never face check the brush if you are not sure where enemy is...”
“Talon usually will rely on his passive to deal that damage. You can simply use your spellshield to either block his slowing wave or to block his Noxian Diplomacy. That way you make sure he can't trigger it, and thus redicung his damage. Plus going near you isn't the best option for him since you can fear him easily once getting near to you.”
“In patch 9.8 Zed will become the weakest Assassin in league of Legends,so fighting a talon? He will one shot before you have a chance to do anything.”
“If you dodge his W or he uses it on wave and doesn't hit you go for a trade. generally you'll win this if you play smart”
“He can't do nothing against you. Stay focused on farm and poke him with E. If he engages, use your E+W to survive his combo and kill him easily with your Q+R. ”
“E the second part of his W but honestly watch out, he does ALOT of damage early and you can beat him if he wastes W on wave”
“He has insane burst lvl 2-3, so don't get poked. You want to bait out his W, then you can go in for quick trades, you can take exhaust if you never played this matchup”
“he has hard engage and can mess you up if you arent careful try not to over extend with him and just poke from afar”
“winnable if side lanes dont feed him you can stun him out of ult and dodge his poke easily just dont get killed lvl 2”
“He can delete you too. Don't let him to jump on you and in early bully him for taking cs.”
“Talons early game is strong. Once you are hit by his W and is marked once or twice, you must keep your distance because he can just Q auto and kill you with Electrocute + Ignite. He is roaming master so if you can, always push the minion wave in so he can't roam. If he does punish him by taking mid turret. ”
“Play super safe after level 2
[DETAILED MATCHUP INFORMATION BELOW]”
“No longer as scary as a threat, as you can dodge all his ult blades with your own ult. Just beware of his early game power, as if you get to close without your abilities he will completely destroy you. ”
“Talon can kill you easy with combo W + Q and passive .”
“Don't get into his melee range because his Q will crit. Back off when you are wounded and trade when his w is down. Chain him before he ults so you can determine where he is.”
“Assassins got buffed! Care of his level 2 power spike. You win before 6, but he can kill you if you don't pay attention after that. Don't let him get kills and you're fine. Care of his roam-style.”
“It can be hard or can be easy. Wait until he uses his Q and then poke him. Notice he will have Ignite top so play calm and safe. ”
“Hard but beatable. Wait till he use his W on minions so you can trade. You can actuly outtrade him if you play with your electrocute and resolve masterie. Carefull he can one shot you but you can one shot him too with level 6. ”
“Spooky match up, his damage is pretty absurd if he gets his full combo off. Neither one of you will want to engage into the other so you'll spend most of this lane farming with q. His roams are easier to pull off than Zoe's however so make sure to spam ping your teammates.”
“Dodge his Q with your W and build defensive build if he gets ahead”
“Play safe in early, then at lvl 6 harras him. Your ult-cd is lower than his so use it!”
“You can win lane agasint him but he roams better than you and a negligent bot lane can lose you the game.”
“It is extremely crucial to dodge talon q's especially since your squishy and you should win trades”
“Try to not get hit by his W.
When he Q's onto you, just E out he will outtrade you.
Try to follow up with his roams.”
“Watch his level 2. Just play safe.”
“not much of a threat since you have more range watch out for an enemy jg cause thats the only way he can get kills”
“Its not that easy 1 v 1ing him, so better farm and roam.... or 1 v 1 him if youre brave enough :P
(avoid his w marks) :P”
“Skill matchup. who can burst who first wins. Stun with Q first then full combo. I suggest Zhonya's for negating his ult.”
“A great matchup for you. You can punish him because he is melee and if you have W on him you can see him when he ults. And if you predict it right you can land the mantra Q on him. However he will still be a pain in the *** because of his roaming. Be sure to ping enough for your team. At teamfights try to peel for the person he is targeting. ”
“Pre-6, you have the typical ranged vs melee advantage over him. Try to harass him as much as you can, but watch out, his Rake can do some pretty decent damage.Once he turns level 6, be passive. If he gets any chance to jump on you, HE WILL.Taking Barrier and Exhaust is a excellent way to stop Talon.
Zhonya's Hourglass might be a good idea, if you feel you need it.”
“Talon sera un match compliqué puisqu'il pourra vous poke et faire très mal rapidement mais faites très attention à son level 6 car son ultime le rendra invisible et là caler une bombe est très compliqué. A la limite si vous êtes adroit servez vous d'un allié ou un sbire sur lequel vous collerez un QZQ.”
“Don't let him push you under tower or he will roam and get fed so hard you won't even tickle him”
“Cuidado con talon a lvl 2 rebienta a cualquier kassadin por el combo: W+Q+basico+electrocutar+pasiva de talon+ignicion=kill asegurada si te mete el combo”
“Care his level 2. He can kill you, if you are already low, however from full HP, just Q-E-AA to prop electrocute, when he Q's you.”
“Freeze the wave and run either Fleet Footwork or Grasp to survive laning phase. Respect his level 2 damage with Q and W, especially if he's taking Ignite -- you'll want to let him start pushing at level 1 to avoid this at level 2. You can match his roams after level 6 but it can be a little bit difficult if he decides to go Boots of Mobility -- but that makes him easier to kill for you since he won't have resistances.”
“Assassin. Your best hope is to not die unless he gets greedy and misplays. ”
“Talon is a threat as soon as he gets his ultimate, he can be bullied by Xerath until level six but past that point play more carefully. Whenever you see him ult, get ready to cast your E towards the front of you to stun him as he jumps from the blades.”
“Don't let him use his passive on you, Try to dodge his W at level 1. Do SS whenever you don't know where he is. He has big roam and gang potential.
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“50% chance to kill him in teamfight
you or he will die first”
“Matchup baseado em habilidade. Os dois campeões são extremamente focados em roaming.”
“Talon can easily trade with you because he will land his w on you almost every time. This would be when you max W and play back until he uses ult. He will roam a lot so make sure you pick where he is going and also try to follow if you think you can 1v1 him fully.”
“You'll beat him early and late game.
Most likely when you lane with him, he's gonna roam pretty hard.
Thing about him though is that you can block most of his ability with your WW.
His ult is useless once you WW it, same with his E.
Poke him out level 3 I recommend as you have your WW ready.
He will probably all in you as well so try lowering him first.”
“Hes 2 combo maybe threat but he no match u even u get hourglass simple lane but be carefull hes best roamer mid”
“I like to play talon vs zed
Talon is stronger in lane
Zed is stronger for take out
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“your wall is useless vs him and can one shot you if he have ult”
“Since Talon can't blink over your ult anymore, this matchup is a bit easier now. He's melee, so poke him hard, and push him and the wave under his turret so he's obligated to stay in lane to try and farm. If he is missing, warn your team and don't try to find him. He can kill you fairly easily if you're not careful.
BE CAREFUL OF HIS LEVEL 2 ALL IN!!!
I don't know what you can do at this point, just stay back and be very passive. A W-Q-AA Ignite can 100-0 you very easily. ”
“Pre-6 (as usual) he can be bullied, but once he hits 6, and has at least an armor pen item, he will be looking to poke you down with his rake, and once your at least 70% hp, he will all in you and kill you. Exhaust is helpful.”
“Talon is an assasin. You can't let him all in you. Stop him with your E. An assassin does high damage in a blink, so deny the all-in from him.”
“Toxic early game play absolutely safe and wait for ganks. Zhonias!!! ”
“Talon is the king of upclose, and his slow will keep you locked down for him to finish you off, the only saving grace is that you can keep your distance, but you'll be forced to play safe, keep an eye on your farm, dont try to harass him or get too close, just farm/poke with ardent blaze”
“Just make it hard to even farm. If he comes close to minions - poke. If he is low - go with all-in. Unless you let him dash to you should certainly win.”
“Talon is a pain, his rake deals so much damage and outranges all of your abilities, play passively, zone him from cs with your bubble, but wait until he uses his abilities to use yours.”
“Talon will primarily poke you with his W.
His burst is a major threat, though you might be able to toss a bubble at him as he tries to all-in.
Careful of his roams with E.
Suggested: Exhaust, Armguard rush”
“His scariest point is his level 2, don't trade vs this guy or you will die and he will snowball out of control. Good Ekko players will use E to dodge his E, and trading vs talon is possible if he cant get his passive bleed off.”
“How to counter: If he uses ult just cage yourself, he can't do anything.”
“He is an assassin and you have to deny his all in. When he jumps on you, root him and back off.”
“Talon's level 2 burst combo is better then yours. You should play safe until you get ganks or have a change to engage.”
“Very easy dodge his ult with pool and trade when you have empowered Q.”
“Not that big of a threat in lane, most of Talon's threat comes from his roams.”
“Can completely dominate you. Not a whole lot you can do to avoid it except stay behind your turret and dodge as much as you can. He has a lot of damage and can turret dive you at level 6. It's also hard to get a gank on him because he can normally escape.”
“Quite hard matchup, play def at start, you can't die in early game.”
“Wait, you are reading this guide, the other guy probably not, show him who rules in the midlane!”
“just dont solo kill him when he has ss or skill 3 him wenever he skill 1 at you.”
“Simply counterable, all you need to do to beat him in lane after he uses all his mana since he doesn't have the best mana sustain in lane.”
“Ah... free jumps for days.. He roams better, bursts better, and escapes better than you. Best you stay away from him, but bully him in laning phase so he can't scale up.”
“Talon can win you on early game very easily, you won't be able to win him on mid game, and on late-game you can win, but only with you team.
You can't out-roam him because he will be able to follow you being right on your back.
Ghost, Clence or Exhaust are a good opportunity,”
“One mistake and you're dead. On the other hand, if you play it chill for the first 15 minutes, his team is gonna suffer. Talon needs some kills before he can pop off. Don't give him any.”
“He is just an extremely strong earlygame character that you should consider getting banned.”
“Talon is difficult due to his rake range and cooldown as you are melee as well, though your AA's have pretty decent range, wait for him to use rake before jumping in to harass
when he hit's 6 it's best to avoid fighting him, ”
“Talon outdmg Zed early. Be carefull of his passive 3rd AA Proc but keep ur lane pressure to avoid his roams ”
“Although Talon has burst and mobility, playing safe will completely counter his kit. You should have an equal laning phase.
Warning - This champion can and will roam to counter a safe playstyle. Ping accordingly.”
“Talon and any assassin with far reach can fuck you up. against melee champs you're fine, but if they get too close to you you're fucked.”
“It is a match up that require you to be a bit more proactive than he is, the first thing you need to do is shove the wave hard to hit lvl 2 first. As we all know Talon is responsible for 25% of first bloods so getting level 2 before him is critical because your fear makes it very easy to kill him. In the event you do die first you have to play a tad bit safer as he can snowball the lane out of control, so call for jg ganks or look to roam when your 6 for other kill opportunities.”
“Talon can all-in you with you not being able to do much, you can't root him when he uses his ult and he can freely poke you. If you are against Talon, start with Doran's Ring unless you think you can beat him.”
“disgusting to play against always ban this stupid champ
if u face him dont let him proc electrocute or get his q, +his w hitbox is extremely messed up”
“Sometimes Talon can hard push you, be ready to sleep him if he starts pushing.”
“Careful if level 2 all ins and lev 6 all ins.”
“walk sideways when he throws his knives. punish him immediately after, if he jumps on you, sleep him.”
“Poke him hard with Q,after the 8.8 patch you can buy Oracle Lens at lvl 1,which help you a lot if you against 1 or more invisibles enemies. After level 6 make sure he used his W and if he s not near a wall you can go all in him.”
“Diana wins against Talon, if he starts Q, start your W, and proc it mid lunge, will negate most dmg and hurt him back. ”
“Talon's got your number, and he's not using it to woo you. He's mobile, got insanely high burst, and his ultimate is great for offense and defense. Rush Seeker's Armguard and ask for jungle assistance.”
“Pretty difficult lane. Care for level two power spike and try to hit binding when he dashes towards you.”
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